The music on El Niño Bola gestures to a lot of different eras and reference paths, but it doesn’t really settle on any one thing. I’m curious to know more about some of your core influences.
It has a lot to do with how I relate to music from the past. I am very curious about the music I love. I like tracing lines between artists and movements, noticing both differences and connections. I feel a certain distance from twentieth-century music that allows me to see it in a more abstract way. Of course, genres are different and rich in their own way, aesthetically and sonically, but a lot of them appeal to the same impulses. For me, it often comes down to honesty and trance. In that sense, Suicide might have more in common with dub music than with The Stooges.
To me, the record doesn’t feel like it’s jumping from one place to another. Even if some sounds point to different eras, I tend to hear them as part of the same whole. I work mostly through intuition, and I’ve always felt closer to rough or imperfect sounds. They carry a certain sense of honesty for me. That pull toward older or rougher sounds probably also comes from a general uneasiness with the present. Interestingly, the lyrics themselves lean more toward hope than fear. I think the darker, more pessimistic tone on a sonic level is the way I’ve found to stay connected to a more optimistic part of myself. Some references I’ve kept very close for a long time are The Headphone Masterpiece by Cody Chesnutt as the epitome of honesty, the way Arthur Russell understood music, and how Alan Vega would sing as if he were stepping into the void. That kind of honesty, and the way it comes through sonically, is something I really connect with.
How do you know when a vocal performance is a keeper?
I know it’s a keeper when it feels like I really meant what I was saying, when the feeling comes through before anything else. I need to feel like I’m not performing or just reading the lyrics. Most of the vocals and lyrics were improvised, recorded while trying to stay in that headspace.
Is there a song on the record that you are particularly fond of?
I am the happiest with the songs that came to life fairly quickly. Those are the ones that have been the least subjected to overthinking and thus the ones I feel more comfortable with as time goes on. “Big, Big Love,” “DANCE,” and “It’s Only Natural” are my personal favorites but that may change, of course.